"Rip-off" vs. "homage"

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I understand that a lot of film-makers like to allude to prior works which inspired them, Kon-san, but my problem with Inception is that Nolan did not even address Paprika until the fans and reviewers themselves put pressure on him so that he could not avoid addressing your film. In addition, a lot of Nolan fans were writing off your work until then, some possibly implying that it was inferior, simply because it was animated, others complaining about the mature and/or surreal content. And even now, Nolan only indirectly addressed you, when you had no problems citing your influences when asked about them. In addition, they're still hyping Inception as "original", which pisses me off in general. Hollywood likes to steal ideas, and sometimes does it legally, by remaking films(including its own) and then fooling audiences into thinking that their version was the original. [Kurosawa himself had to sue Leone over A Fistful of Dollars vs. Yojimbo.]

Furthermore, while anime's a lot more mainstream in the West than it was 20+ years ago, there still appears to be some sort of cultural stigma that it only appeals to our equivalent of otaku, and can't possibly compete with live-action films, even though, say, a 3-D film like Avatar has less depth than a 2-d film like Honneamise. Yes, we've embraced Miyazaki, but theatrically, his films do as well here as a hit indie film. [Americans seem to think it's not worth seeing unless it's in CG.] So it sounds like, in my humble opinin, Nolan was a little afraid of ruining his own image by suggesting he watched anime. In other words, if there wasn't this much pressure, Nolan would not have admitted it as such, just like Disney did not like to admit their Tezuka-san, Miyazaki-san and Gainax influenes.

Besides, Oshii-san allegedly at least got a free LD of the Matrix, while Miyazaki-san got a Totoro Toy Story 3 cameo. So, at the very least, you should be gettin' some studio omake, too, Kon-san. Especially since H'wood did its damnedest to screw you out of a Best Animated Film nom, just because your stuff wasn't CG, Ghibli and/or targeted towards children.
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ZYL  居住地: Tokyo  投稿数: 10
今さん、多くの映画監督はインスピレーションを得た作品について言及するのを好むものだと認識しているのですが、『インセプション』で私が問題だと思うのは、映画ファンやレビュワーが言及を強いるまではノーランが『パプリカ』について全く触れずにいたことなんです。さらにそれまでは、多くのノーランファンがあなたの作品について、単に「アニメだから」とか、登場人物が成人で、かつ(または)超現実的(シュールレアル)という理由で、内容的に劣っていると考えたり、ほのめかしたりしていたのです。今に至っても、ノーランは間接的にしかあなたの影響について語っていません。それもあなたの作品による影響について訊かれたときで、あなたが引用しても問題がない場合だけです。加えて苛立たしいことに、彼らは『インセプション』を「オリジナル」の作品だと未だに詐称しています。アイデアの盗用(合法的な場合もあるが)によってリメイク映画を作製し、この作品の方がオリジナルだと鑑賞者に思い込ませるというのは、ハリウッドがよくやることなのです。[黒澤はレオネを『荒野の用心棒』の件で訴えねばならなかった]
(訳者補足:『用心棒』裁判の結果は日本の製作会社が勝訴。『荒野の用心棒』の製作会社は黒澤たちに謝罪し、アジアにおける配給権と全世界における興行収入の15%を支払うことになった。Wikipediaに引用元つき文献あり)

その上、欧米でも20年以上前と較べると、日本アニメが主流の地位を固めてきているというのに、未だにアニメはオタク層のためのものであり、 アクション映画に並ぶ存在ですらないという思い込みによる烙印を押されてしまっている。『アバター』のような3D映画であっても、『オネアミスの翼』のような2D映画より内容的な深みがないというのにね。確かに、宮崎作品は受け入れられているけれど、あくまでインディーズ作品のような扱われ方としてです[アメリカ人はCGアニメ以外は観る価値がないと思い込んでいるらしい]。だからこんな風に思うのです。ささやかな意見を言わせてもらえれば、ノーランは、彼自信が日本アニメを自分の作品の参考にしていると示唆されることによって、自分のイメージが崩されることを恐れているのではないかとね。言い換えると、そういう背景による心理的圧力があるから、ノーランは日本アニメの影響について吐露できないのではないかな。ディズニーが手塚作品や宮崎作品、ガイナックス作品の影響を自ら認めることがないようにね。

ところで私が聞いたところでは、押井さんは『マトリックス』のLDを贈られたというし、宮崎さんもトトロとToyStory3のカメオ(貝の浮き彫り)を贈られたそうですよ。今さんも、最低限、スタジオにちなむ「おまけ」を何か贈ってもらわないといけません。特にハリウッドは最優秀アニメーション映画へのノミネートから、CG作品ではない、ジブリ作品ではない、子供向け作品ではないという理由で、あなたの作品を外した経緯があるのですから。
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ZYL  居住地: Tokyo  投稿数: 10
本日、仕事帰りにレイトショーでノーラン監督の『インセプション』を鑑賞して来ました。カーアクション&特撮&CGの比重が非常に高い作品でシナリオとしても映画の中で描かれる主題としても『パプリカ』との類似性は見あたりませんでした。物語を動かす道具としての「夢への潜入」という題材と夢のなかの場面における一部の映像表現に類似した部分が感じられるという程度で、『ライオンキング』や『アトランティス』などにみられるような筋書き、キャラ造形レベルでの流用とは比較になりません。

詳細に書くとネタバレになりますので書きませんが、特定の相手をターゲットにした情報戦が夢への潜入の目的なので、ビジネス目的のスパイ戦のようなノリでお話が展開していきます。「夢の中で見る夢」という入れ子構造と「夢からの帰還」が骨子となっており・・・と書くとなんだかパプリカを彷彿させるような気がしますが、物語への使い方が全く異なりますので、全くの別物だと感じました。いろんな意味で欧米人らしいシナリオで、「オリジナル」と言って何の差し支えもないと思います。また、作中に軽い謎かけもあり、考えオチ?と思わせる部分もあります。これが本当の「コンゲーム」とでもいうのでしょうか。・・・失礼しました。お後がよろしいようで。
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By the way, Entertainment Weekly has a poll which ranks the floating corridor scene in Inception as the favorite by readers....Hope you're ok with that...

Update from http://www.otaku2.com/articleView.php?item=679 via Anime Nation:

As a storywriter, [Wolf's Rain, Ergo Proxy, Bebop, Eureka 7, Freedom Project writer, Higashi no Eden writer] Sato had a big axe to grind about the place of the story in Japanese anime. He complained that his works are labeled “difficult-type” (muzukashii-kei), something like the opposite of “atmosphere type” (kuuki-kei) anime. The latter is the type where nothing happens, or there is no significant plot, narrative or development. They tend to focus on cute characters and be very popular with moe fans. Sato said guys like him get no work, even as “Hollywood rips off our ideas.”

ZYL: Feel free to translate the rest of that link, but it's a little OT.
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ZYL  居住地: Tokyo  投稿数: 10
#msg1.3 翻訳
ところで、Entertainment Weekly(週刊エンターテイメント)では読者の投票でインセプションの(ホテルの)無重力回廊の場面がランクインしていますね。…あなたが気にしないのなら構いませんが。

以下のリンクの投稿につき、更新します
http://www.otaku2.com/articleView.php?item=679
「Anime Nation」から

(訳注:以下、リンク先からのごく大雑把な訳)
2010年7月に行われた駒澤大学でのパネルディスカッションにて、脚本家の佐藤大氏(代表作:カウボーイビバップ、エウレカセブンほか)は日本アニメについての様々な危惧について語った。

・下請けに依存した体制のため作品が意図した仕上がりとならない
・作り手の状況を知らずに「Cool Japan」を語る政治家にはうんざりだ
・中国の精鋭らは外注による日本アニメの牙城の空洞化を目論んでいる
・アニメファンのメディアリテラシー、作品解読力の低下が気になる

日本ではストーリーが軽視されている。自分の関わった作品が、筋書きのないかわいいキャラだけが売りの「空気系」アニメと比較して「難解系」と言われていることや、アイデアがハリウッドに盗用されているのにアイデアの発信元の自分たちには仕事が回って来ないことに怒りを感じているという。
(以下略)

ZYLへ: 必要ならリンクも加味して訳してください。
   ややスレ違いですけれど。
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(ZYLコメント)アイデアだけ持って行かれると腹が立つというのは分からなくもないのですが…。
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Via Dark Horizons and http://tinyurl.com/2eknfx8 :

"You know, the idea of doing a gigantic steampunk science fiction movie from 1873... Kinda cool" says Dvid Fincher about his upcoming "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" adaptation for Disney Pictures…"

Now where have I seen that one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1haSQGb3xs

Or this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDczO-qHomM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c8Y1uSec34

Or even this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkMDs3FXVzg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPfw8G4Z7Hs&feature=related

Oh, and I'm not an Akamatsu fan, but http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/06/11/jack-black-out/ .

Anyway, I think I brought up Black Swan a while earlier, because Aronofsky allegedly paid Kon-san to use the bath-tub scene from PB for Requiem for a Dream. [It can't be coincidence, since he was also about to adapt Koike-san's Lone Wolf and Cub.] Anyway, what got me about 'Swan, courtesy of http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/20/script-for-aronofskys-black-swan-is-very-intriguingwith-a-quiet-slow-burn/ :

"Portman is a veteran ballerina who finds herself locked in to a competitive showdown with a rival dancer, with the stakes and twists increasing as the dancers approach a big performance. Portman’s character is not sure whether her rival is a supernatural apparition or if she is having delusions."

"…she begins noticing another girl around town and at the ballet company who looks exactly like her. But not just “exactly.” We’re talking identical. Yet every time Nina tries to get close, the girl turns away or hides her face. Finally, Nina meets this mysterious doppelganger after rehearsal. Her name is Lily. And while she definitely looks like Nina, she’s by no means an identical replica. Was it Nina’s imagination perhaps?

From : http://www.digital-retribution.com/reviews/dvd1/348.php :

"director Darren Aronofsky paid $60,000 for the remake rights so he could incorporate a shot-by-shot recreation of a bathtub scene in Requiem for a Dream, and the storyline has reportedly influenced that of his upcoming feature Black Swan."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anlHmGA-Bvs

From
http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2009/07/darren-aronofsky-trades-black-swan-for.html :

"and may draw strong influences from Japanese manga "Perfect Blue" which previously inspired Aronofsky in "Requiem For A Dream" (Aronofsky also tried to adapt "Perfect Blue" as a feature-film at one point)."

http://www.animebottle.com/images/screenshot-perfect-blue1.jpg

http://infini-tropolis.com/reviews/images/pbluePROMO3.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3632503808/tt0156887

http://www.alterati.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/fish.jpg

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/p/images/perfect-blue-7.jpg

http://www.animebottle.com/images/screenshot-perfect-blue22.jpg

http://everydaygamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/PerfectBlue.jpg

Might be a little unsafe for work?

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/20987

Wikipedia summary: "A New York City ballet company is producing Swan Lake, and director Thomas Leroy (Cassel) decides to replace prima ballerina Beth MacIntyre (Ryder) with ballerina Nina (Portman). Nina lives with Erica (Hershey), her overbearing mother and a former ballerina. Nina finds competition in new dancer Lily (Kunis). Swan Lake requires a ballerina who can play the innocent White Swan, which fits Nina, and the sensual Black Swan, which fits Lily. The dancers' rivalry changes into a bizarre friendship, and Nina begins exploring a dark side of herself."

ZYL: Feel free to axe any redundancies in the translation.

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Fine, lemme give you an otaku equivalent of what Hollywood's doing to your stuff. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTR [May not be work-safe.]
Oh, and Black Swan script spoilers @ http://scriptshadow.blogspot.com/2009/08/black-swan.html .

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Never even heard of this effing movie until today, but http://is.gd/elAz9 notes the similarities between http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU_aIfityBQ and Millennium Actress and Mind Game.
Black Swan trailer @
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/blackswan/ . If it doesn't work, I'm sure it'll be on Youtube soon enough.
Finally hit the jackpot. From http://tinyurl.com/2656vnt :

Si Paprika a inspiré Christopher Nolan pour Inception, Perfect Blue a servi à Darren Aronofsky pour Black Swan. Satoshi Kon n'est pas la seule influence du réalisateur de Requiem For A Dream. La preuve.
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From http://tinyurl.com/26o4lhs :

The germ of the concept was that the imaginary friend trope had been played out in so many ways already that the truly original approach would be the concept of the imaginary enemy. So the new project will be told from the point of view of the imaginary friends who had long been used as scapegoats by unscrupulous children looking for someone else to blame for their misdeeds. Eventually fed up, those imaginary people come looking for some payback when the kids are grown up.
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That Excesif site went down, so I found it salvaged here. On a related note, I could only find a Princess Tutu mash-up, but I hope the inevitable PB mash-up happens soon.
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From http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/black-swan-dances-into-telluride-while-sony-pictures-classics-duo-struts/#respond :
"At the post-Q&A Aronofsky, joined by his composer Clint Mansell and producer Scott Franklin, said he and Portman first met at the now defunct Times Square Howard Johnson’s to discuss the project about 9 years ago, but it took this long to finally come to fruition
. He noted his original idea was to spin off Dostoevsky’s The Double and then after seeing a production of Swan Lake knew he had the beginnings of something grand (guignol)."

What was Aronofsky doing nine years ago, again? http://konstone.s-kon.net/modules/notebook/archives/60
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Darren really loves Kon-san so much, he conveniently left him out once again.
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At the 1:55 mark, one of the actresses for Black Swan says "such a unique story"...Reminds me of when Nolan's Yes-Men were calling Inception "original".
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At 0:38 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owbMWKHxey0 , Aronofsky cites "Swan Lake" as giving him "this whole "Doppeldanger" idea"...
Oh, well, at least the Europeans are once again not afraid to recognize Kon-san. From
Premiere France:

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Le seul problème qui se pose avec Black Swan - mais il est de taille - est que ce film, on l'a déjà vu, en version animée, avec une jeune fille prisonnière de ses névroses et du monde-miroir de la télévision (ici, le ballet). Ca s’appelait Perfect Blue . Jamais totalement affranchi de son modèle, Black Swan s’approche dangereusement du plagiat et il y a comme un certain malaise à le découvrir quelques jours seulement après la disparition de Satoshi Kon , génie visionnaire de Perfect Blue (entre autres).
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From http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/tiff-journal-sep-15-2010/ :

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‘Black Swan’ is the latest entry in the “Women Going Crazy” genre that stretches back to films like ‘Persona’ and ‘Repulsion‘, as well as Charlotte Perkins Gilman’s famous 19th Century feminist short story ‘The Yellow Wallpaper’. Perhaps its strongest modern antecedent is Satoshi Kon’s anime film ‘Perfect Blue’, which director Aronofsky explicitly referenced in his earlier movie ‘Requiem for a Dream’. Just like ‘Perfect Blue’, ‘Black Swan’ is about an artistic performer (in that case, a pop star) who starts to lose her sense of reality when her insecurities and paranoia overtake all of her other rational thoughts. Soon, she can’t tell what’s real from what’s in her head – and, due to the way the story is told, neither can we in the audience.
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From THR:

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Darren Aronofsky: Since I was very young, I've had a taste for the alternative. I remember as a teenager always looking for different ways of looking at things. I wasn't in the Bavarian mountains, but in South Brooklyn [and we] didn't get art film. I grew up on the mainstream films of the '70s and early '80s. It wasn't until I started university that I realized films were made in Europe as well and latched onto [art films] because finally aesthetically something clicked.

THR: Was there any one film that did that for you?

Aronofsky: "She's Gotta Have It" by Spike Lee. It was just a seminal moment; I had never seen cinema like that. [But] I didn't really know what a filmmaker was. When I got to university, I started reading a lot of dead white men and my roommate would get high every day and work on Anatomy of Film and get an A, and I was like, "Hmm, something's wrong here." So I switched over and I had a drawing class with this incredible teacher who just taught you how to look at the three-dimensional world and represent it in two dimensions on paper, and it radicalized the way I looked at the world.

So he likes drawing, but hates acknowledging a certain animator, hmmm...?

"based on Swan Lake" and...?
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From http://mdmbrightside.livejournal.com/158875.html?thread=240027 :
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What's interesting is that Black Swan is already drawing comparisons to an anime film, Perfect Blue, which Arronofsky holds the rights to (he duplicated the bath tub scene in Requiem for a Dream). Perfect Blue a similar story of a girl losing her way in pursuit of fame and her career. She begins to hallucinate another version of herself and the lines between reality and delusion become blurred.

From:

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Cantieri e polemiche, si alza il sipario: "Black Swan" accusato di plagio
Avrebbe copiato un film del defunto Satoshi Kon.

E poco importa se i cinefili hanno già aperto una polemica sul web proprio contro “Black Swan”, accusandolo di aver copiato il film d’animazione “Perfect Blue” del maestro giapponese Satoshi Kon, morto pochi giorni fa. Le affinità, in effetti ci sono, il primo si concentra su una diva del pop che deve recitare in un film una scena di stupro e comincia ad avere le allucinazioni; il secondo opta per la danza, catapulta la Portman nelle prove del "Il lago dei cigni", la costringe a dividere la scena con una seducente nuova arrivata di talento (Mila Kunis), finchè la ragazza non perderà il contatto con la realtà.

From http://www.wired.it/news/archivio/2010-09/24/le-10-ispirazioni-di-inception.aspx :
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9. Paprika Se Dreamscape già proponeva un uomo che entra nei sogni degli altri nel 1984, nel 2006 Paprika (del da poco scomparso Satoshi Kon) è invece proprio un viaggio nel subconscio umano attraverso i sogni in tutto e per tutto identico, nei presupposti e non nelle finalità, a quello di Inception. Sebbene l'idea di Satoshi Kon fosse di creare un'opera immaginifica, incontrollata e delirante (tutto il contrario del rigore e del controllo massimo di Nolan), lo stesso i fan di Paprika (presente!) hanno gridato nella sala buia non appena è stato chiaro quel che faceva Di Caprio.

From http://www.elmorrocotudo.cl/admin/render/noticia/27768

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En esta nota, me voy a centrar en su última gran película: "Inception", y en la que yo creo que es su influencia principal: "Paprika" de Satoshi Kon. La última película hasta la fecha del desaparecido director japonés ya trataba en 2006 sobre el sueño, de tratarlo como un mundo real y de utilizarlo como escenario de la trama para conseguir que tanto los personajes de la historia como el espectador no sepan si lo que ven es un sueño o la realidad. Hay películas anteriores donde ya se utilizaba esta herramienta del sueño como una referencia habitual, como es el caso de "The Cell" del genial Tarsem Singh, sin embargo en ella no se explotaban todas las posibilidades narrativas que podría dar de sí sino que se centraba más en el plano estético y visual, algo muy característico del director indio.

From THR:

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(Aronofsky explicitly referenced Roman Polanski’s “Repulsion,” David Cronenberg’s “The Fly” and Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger's "The Red Shoes" as cinematic touchpoints.)

Satoshi Kon and Perfect Blue don't roll off the tip of your tongue as easily, eh, Darren?

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From Twitch film:

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Essentially, Black Swan is Repulsion & Perfect Blue by way of Showgirls with heavy influences of Brian De Palma & Kenneth Anger thrown in for good measure. In fact, I think I could easily liken this to the work of the Kuchar Brothers as well. With a combination like that, this should play like gangbusters for the cult set. The problem is that this isn't nearly as intelligent of a mindfuck as Repulsion or Perfect Blue.

Finally, a Q+A with the man:

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Q: Was the film Perfect Blue an inspiration for this film?

A: Not really, there are similarities between the films, but it wasn’t influenced by it. It really came out of Swan Lake the Ballet, we wanted to dramatize the ballet, that’s why it’s kind of up here and down there, because ballet is big and small in lots of ways.

Q:これは映画用フィルムパーフェクトブルーにインスピレーションをか?

:そうでもない、しかし、フィルムの間に類似点があるそれはそれによって影響されなかった。それは本当に白鳥の湖バレエのうち来て、私たちはバレエは、大小さまざまなやり方でですので、一種のは、ここを上下そこにいる理由だと、バレエを脚色するのです。
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Via Hollywood Elsewhere, now you can send in your "constructive criticism" on the official <a href="http://twitter.com/theswanqueen">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Just-Want-To-Be-Perfect/150014585041940?v=wall">Facebook</a> sites for the film.
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Sorry, had to fix those links.
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Alright, a Black Swan/Perfect Blue mash-up is finally here, and not a moment too soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vu94BIpiOM
Not really as good as the rest, but this got brought up on the boards a few years ago, so...

From 24 Frames Per Second:

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I have only one thing - that I know of - in common with Darren Aronofsky; we both love Satoshi Kon’s anime psychological thriller PERFECT BLUE. Aronofsky has often spoken of his desire to remake that film in live action, and though it is not as marked as the trailer made it seem, that much better film is an obvious and heavy influence on BLACK SWAN. It is present in the central questions of the film; whether Nina’s demanding new role is driving her mad, whether she is in fact becoming that role and whether her rival Lily is real or a symptom of her psychosis. There are also several shots that echo PERFECT BLUE, most notably the first time we see Lily (or is it Nina’s reflection?), which is a direct visual quote of Kon’s film. That said, this isn’t the live action remake that Aronofsky has been pitching, rather it feels as though he’s taken PERFECT BLUE and Powell and Pressburger’s masterpiece THE RED SHOES, added a large dollop of melodrama, shoved them in a blender and hit frappe....

...It’s not so much that BLACK SWAN is an awful film; it’s just that the combination of elements didn’t work for me. I can see what Aronofsky is reaching for here, and I can see that there might be a good film in it if it were more dialled back, less operatic in tone and more concerned with the psychology of Nina. At the end of the day, rather than recommending that you see this film, I’d suggest that you log on and add THE RED SHOES and PERFECT BLUE to your netflix queue, and then have yourself a double bill. You’ll have a not dissimilar experience (outside of seeing Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis make out), but by the end you’ll have seen two masterpieces rather than one disappointment.


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From THR:

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“Darren’s vision has brought audiences some of the most original and memorable stories and characters in recent motion picture history,” said Fox Searchlight co-presidents Steve Gilula and Nancy Utley.
...

Via Dark Horizons, Swan poster:
http://www.chongweikk.com/2010/11/gorgeous-new-poster-for-black-swan.html . Vs. stills from PB:
http://londonist.com/attachments/sizemore/perfect_blue.jpg
http://newtype.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/perfect-blue-copy.jpg
http://918thefan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/perfectblue2.jpg
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Swan tv spot...
More spots here and a music video.
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New Swan clip.
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Sorry, missed one I needed to credit. I think it's "Il Gazzetino".

Update: Portman calls the screenplay for Swan "original" at 5:26 of the last interview.

Also, I'm not sure if this will help, but try contacting feedbackus@fox.com , askfox@fox.com , or foxmovies@fox.com to air your grievances about credits.
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For people who don't wanna sit through the script or wait for the film to hit Japan. Spoilers via 'layee' on the Black Swan IMDB board:

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The way Perfect Blue and Black Swam relate is mostly through the main characters Mima (Perfect Blue) and Natalie Portman’s character Nina (even notice the name similarity)(Black Swam). The characters are both female leads, tangled in the pop culture of the arts. Mima is a pop idol trying to turn into an actress while dealing with criticism. Nina lands the lead role of the ballet and is dealing with criticism. Both undergo immense physiological trauma stemming from their overbearing female counterparts. Mima suffers from her managers disagreements and criticism due to the fact she was a failed ex pop star. Nina suffers from her mother who at one time was a famous ballerina. Mima (Perfect Blue) begins to hallucinate, haunted by images of stress, sexuality, fame as does Nina in Black Swam. I could go on and on about how these movies are similar -Hope this helped

ブラックスワンIMDBのボード上の'layee'を介してネタバレ。

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ところでパーフェクトブルー、ブラックスワンが主人公美馬(パーフェクトブルー)とナタリーポートマンの文字ニーナ(名前も類似性を注目してください)(ブラックスワン)を介してほとんどです。文字のポップカルチャーに巻き込ま両方の女性のリードであり、関連する芸術。美馬は批判に対応しながら女優に変わるしようとしているアイドル歌手です。ニーナ土地バレエのリードの役割と批判を扱っている。どちらもその横柄な女性の対応に起因する巨大な生理的外傷を受けています。美馬は彼女のマネージャーに苦しんでいる意見や批判、彼女は失敗した元ポップスターだったという事実のために。ニーナは一度に有名なバレリーナだった母親に苦しんでして、美馬を(パーフェクトブルー)ニーナはしないようにストレス、セクシュアリティ、名声のイメージにつきまとわ、幻覚を開始これらの映画は、類似これは助け希望される方法についてブラックスワンインチ私は"上に行く可能性が

From Collider:

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Darren, how did The Red Shoes influence you and your choices in making this film?

ARONOFSKY: I had heard of The Red Shoes, but I didn’t see it. And then, Scorsese did the restoration a few years ago and I was like, “You know what? I better go and see it.” It’s a masterpiece. It’s an unbelievable film. And I saw that there were similarities in the story, but I think that’s because we both went back to ballet and pulled from ballet for the different characters and stuff, so we ended up in similar places. But, I wasn’t really influenced by it. I really didn’t ever try to be influenced by it because it’s such a masterpiece. The dance sequences were so ahead of their time. I just kept it in the back of my head. It was a long time ago.

Didn't you also note similarities between it and Perfect Blue without saying it was an influence...?

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The whole cinema verite, handheld approach to The Wrestler was a big risk to bring over into this ballet film because I had never seen a suspenseful film that had this handheld camera and I didn’t know if it would work.

Sure, you didn't, Darren.

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We took the fairy tale and the ballet of Swan Lake and translated all of those characters into characters in our movie reality. It’s really just a retelling of “Swan Lake."

Not the only re-telling...

New clip.

Still no credit....

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he's made something that is uniquely his,

Sure, he has...
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From Criterioncast.com:

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At times, Darren Aronofsky appears to borrow from Satoshi Kon’s Perfect Blue. Both films have like elements and a desire for perfection, all done with a certain air. Even their protagonist are linked by name (Mima and Nina) and profession (pop star and ballerina).

'Nother interview with Darren:

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LA DANSE was a big inspiration for us.

LA DANSE only?

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this idea that you wake up one day, and someone is pushing out everything that makes you you, and I guess in this world of identity theft [laughs] people can relate to it somewhat,

Spoken from a true thief.

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That was kind of what I took from Dostoyevsky's "The Double,"

Was there a stage-mom in the book and was the main character a female performer? I don't recall...

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Capone: Perhaps more than any of your other films, critics seem to be stepping over themselves to compare BLACK SWAN to other films and other filmmakers, and I think that kind of short changes the work to be honest.

DA: Why do you think they are doing it?

You tell us, Darren...

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Capone: Maybe when somebody sees something this wholly original, they want to make a connection to something familiar in the mind of the readers, just so they have some idea of what they're in for.

Except it's not original as even Darren is admitting being familiar with other works.

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The most common comparisons have been with filmmakers like Cronenberg and Argento--

You forgot Satoshi Kon, you dick.

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I mean it’s hard to say, because I think I’m the product of all of the movies and all of the music and all of the art I’ve seen over a lifetime, I think.

So does that mean you're also indirectly admitting being a product of Perfect Blue?

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That’s where you get ideas from, just seeing other people’s work and then it goes into your brain and shuffles it up, and you put your own personality on it.

Or stealing Kon-san's personality and calling it your own.

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Right now, independent film is really tough

So why aren't you currently acknowledging a certain independent filmmaker from Japan then, given your own experiences getting discovered?

From a talk-backer on the same link:

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Parallels to Perfect Blue
Beautiful young woman becomes outshined by competition that may or may not be real, becomes obsessively jealous and violent, hallucinations take over the world of the film, drawing the audience into the protagonist's madness. The estate of Satoshi Kon, rest his soul, should be getting royalties.

Int'l. Swan Trailer.

From the Boston Herald:
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Aronofsky owes a debt to Satoshi Kon's 1998 anime "Perfect Blue,"
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Podcast interview w/ Darren conveniently has him once again omit PB or Kon when he's asked about "influences".

From Culture Mob:

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There’s a little Satoshi Kon on display, a little Dario Argento, some Dardanelle brothers, and a whole mess of early Polanski and Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger rounding things out—in fact, it would not be incorrect to call Black Swan the perfect fusion between Polanski’s Repulsion and Powell and Pressburger’s The Red Shoes.

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From Excessif again:

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A mi-chemin entre Les chaussons rouges (Michael Powell, 1948) et Perfect Blue (Satoshi Kon, 1998), Black Swan se présente comme le pendant féminin de The Wrestler.
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From the Dec. 14 update of http://benefitofthedoubt.miksimum.com/ :

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If you read the narrative in this way, seeing madness as the catalyst for a butterfly-like personal breakthrough, it comes to resemble another classic tale of creative ambition gone bad, told in Satoshi Kon's anime masterpiece Perfect Blue. That film, though dissociation was its organizing principle, turned out to be a coming-of-age story of Mima, its female protagonist, as she moved away from performing crowd-friendly girl-pop and into the adult world of acting and sensationalism. If you read Black Swan metaphorically, it's close kin to this animated cousin. There are a number of character parallels, as well: Nina's cloying mother has a clear equal in the over-protective casting agent in Perfect Blue, and Aaronofsky's Beth Macintyre, played by Winona Rider, plays a parallel part to the murderous fanboy who stalks Mima in order to prevent her from destroying her own innocence.

I disagree with this reviewer's opinion that Swan is better than PB, but she does a good job of pointing out the similarities between the two films. http://tinyurl.com/2a8v3u7

I guess while I'm at it, I'll throw in a Swan/MA mash-up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82kViTwbxQI
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Took me a lot of harassment of that site's Twitter people/person, but Box Office Mojo's "Similar movies to Black Swan" category finally includes Perfect Blue on the list.

ブラックスワンに似ている映画

The list includes the following:
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Shutter Island Par. $128,012,934 2/19/10
The Wrestler FoxS $26,238,243 12/17/08
1408 MGM/W $71,985,628 6/22/07
The Number 23 NL $35,193,167 2/23/07
The Fountain WB $10,144,010 11/22/06
Closer Sony $33,987,757 12/3/04
Mulholland Drive Uni. $7,220,243 10/8/01
Requiem for a Dreamp Art. $3,635,482 10/6/00
What Lies Beneath DW $155,464,351 7/21/00
Perfect Blue Palm $112,536 8/20/99
Pi Art. $3,221,152 7/10/98
Showgirls MGM $20,350,754 9/22/95
The Shining WB $44,017,374 5/23/80

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By the way, that bath scene also features prominently in the Requiem trailer, which makes it obvious that it was a part of the marketing campaign. I'm not a lawyer, however a screen-writer just sued and won against Mel Gibson for under-stating the budget of the Passion, and thus depriving him of residuals. So maybe you should review your contract with Aronosfky with a lawyer? Because if you only did make $60,000 for the rights, while Swan's about to net at least $18 million soon, you obviously did not get a good deal here. Especially when you compare with the money Toei and Toho probably got for the Battle Royale and Ring remakes. And maybe you were even misled on how much of Perfect Blue Darren would remake, too, for all I know. So I think you should at least look into it.


ちなみに、そのお風呂シーンも、それがマーケティングキャンペーンの一部だったことが明らかになりますレクイエムトレーラーで、目立つようにしています。私は弁護士をただし、画面の作家だけで訴え、ウォンメルギブソンに対する下と、パッションの予算を記載したため、残差の彼を奪っていない。だから多分あなたは弁護士とAronosfkyとの契約を確認してください?スワンネットにについてです中には、$60,000の権利のために作ると思うのであれば、少なくとも18000000ドルとすぐに、あなたは明らかにここで良い取引を取得できませんでした。特に、東映と東宝は、おそらくバトルロワイアルとリングのリメイクのために得たお金で比較する。そして、多分あなたはであっても、あまりにも、リメイクどのくらいパーフェクトブルーダレンのに惑わされた私が知っているすべての。だから私はあなたには、少なくとも、それを調べてみてくださいね。


Anyway, back to another comparison shot.

If you have time to pester Darren about PB, he'll be in NYC next month.

ダーレン・アロノフスキー in ニューヨーク 1/5.
罪悪感旅行彼のお尻 もし時間があれば。
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From Fatally-Yours.com:

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The temptation to compare Black Swan to the Red Shoes is an obvious one, but I think Swan is more of a twin with the late Satoshi Kon’s ingenious animated giallo Perfect Blue. Like Perfect Blue, Black Swan is not just a film about backstage machinations in theater and art, but a film about identity and how the image of something we aspire to become can destroy us utterly. How being ‘the ideal’ can be a living nightmare, both in maintaining the illusion of that ideal and being put on that pedestal by others. It is about how being on this pedestal, being this ideal, isolates and destroys women and can erode away at their sense of reality and their connections to everything and everyone around them. Both Perfect Blue and Black Swan are unique in how they deal with this powerful commentary on objectification and identity. The biggest difference between them is that one is set in the cut-throat world of Ballet with Nina, and the other is set in the cut-throat world of Japanese Idol celebrity with Perfect Blue’s Mima.

Some Academy Award-nominated animator once attached to the live-action Akira just tweeted a few days ago "Black Swan=Perfect Blue".
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Been a bit busy.

From www.iletaitunefoislecinema.com:

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On pense au Polanski de Répulsion et Le Locataire pour la schizophrénie ambiante ou à Satoshi Kon (que Aronofski citait déjà dans une scène de Requiem For a Dream reprise de Perfect Blue où Jennifer Connely hurle en silence dans l’eau de sa baignoire) pour la perte de repère avec la réalité.


From lecinema.ca:

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Ces thématiques universelles sont au service d'une intrigue menée tambour battant qui multiplie rapidement les fausses pistes, payant des hommages aux opus de Michael Haneke («La pianiste»), Krzysztof Kieslowski («La double vie de Véronique») et Satoshi Kon (principalement «Perfect Blue»).

From itsjwanyblitz.wordpress.com:

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I got a chance to watch Darren Aronofsky’s latest film “Black Swan” and the entire time as I sat in the theatre absorbing the movie I couldn’t help but notice (in the back of my mind of course) to how similar (much to similar) Black Swan reminded me of Satoshi Kon’s (May he rest in peace ) film “Perfect Blue”.

After I made this connection (which If I remember correctly is not the first time that Aronofsky has taken a scene from Perfect Blue) because If I remember correctly in Aronofsky film “Requiem For A Dream” he used a scene in its exact form from Perfect Blue. The scene at hand is in Perfect Blue when Mima is in the bath tub and yells while underneath the water which was used frame per frame in Aronofsky “Requiem For A Dream”.

After finishing up all of my connection between Black Swan and Perfect Blue it was completely clear in every way that Perfect Blue had a very heavy influence in Aronofsky “Black Swan” but then again I had the exact same feeling while watching “Inception”.

When I saw Inception I was offended in every way possible because everyone on this planet called earth praised Inception for being a original masterpiece when in reality it just turned out to be a blatant rip off of Satoshi Kons “Paprika”.

The reason that I have decided to make this post is the fact that both Aronofsky and Nolan have not paid any form of homage to the late director who has heavily influenced if not should be credited for both of their most prominent works and I find that completely unfair to Kon.

Not to mention the praise that both directors get disgust me at the fact that neither one ever shows respect for the late director (especially after his death one would think they would give credit and respect to the late director) and even though Aronofsky loves to state how much he enjoys “Perfect Blue” even going as far as to purchase the rights to the film he never gave respect nor gave its proper credit for the influence that Perfect Blue has had on his career and Nolan is just a blatant rip off and should be forced to openly state that Paprika influenced the entirety of Inception(which to be honest is a blatant rip off).

All I want is for the american film industry to show respect and credit their influences because they think that Anime holds no validity nor craft but I can assure you all these little movies we all enjoy are influenced if not homage’s or blatant rip offs to the work of Satoshi Kon especially in the case of Nolan and Aronofsky.

Seems to me like 2010 has been the year to rip off Satoshi Kon which is extremely saddening as this was the year of his death which may have been bad timing but I feel it only decent for both directors to show respect to the man that influenced both of their careers so heavily.

Discretion: Satoshi Kon is flat out my favorite director amongst Miyazaki, Coppola and Anderson and i am in no way “hating” on Aronofsky (He’s a director that I heavily appreciate and RFAD is one of my favorite movies and Black Swan was the best thing I’ve seen all year) all i am saying it is in poor taste for Aronofsky and Nolan to discredit someone who has had such a strong effect on both of their careers.

私は私が助けることができなかったが、気づく映画を(もちろん、私の心の奥に)吸収劇場で座って、私はダーレンアロノフスキーの最新映画"ブラックスワン"を見てチャンスと全体の時間を得た方法(多くと同様似ています)ブラックスワンは(平和5月彼は残りの部分)今敏さんの映画"パーフェクトブルー"を思い出しました。

私は、この接続を確立した後(これは私が正しくアロノフスキーはパーフェクトブルーからのシーンを撮影したのは今回が初めてではありません覚えていれば)私は、彼はパーフェクトからの正確な形式でシーンを使用されている"レクイエムフォードリーム"が正しくアロノフスキー映画の中で覚えているので、場合ブルー。美馬は、浴槽のときと叫ぶ一方でシーンがパーフェクトブルー中に"レクイエムフォードリーム"アロノフスキーのフレームごとにフレームを使用し、水の下にある。

それはパーフェクトブルーはアロノフスキー"ブラックスワン"に非常に重い影響を与えたことを、もう一度私が"発端"を見ながら正確に同じ気持ちを持っていたあらゆる方法で完全にクリアされたブラックスワンとパーフェクトブルーの間に私の接続のすべてを終えた後。

この惑星上のすべての人は地球が実際にそれだけで諭Kons"パプリカ"の露骨なパクリであることが判明、元の傑作の発端を賞賛と呼ばれるので、私はインセプションを見たとき、私は可能なあらゆる方法で気分を害したれました。

私はこのポストを作成することを決定した理由は、両方のアロノフスキーとNolanさんが大きく、最も著名な作品の両方のアカウントに入金されますされていない場合影響を与えていると私は完全に見つける後半監督へのオマージュのいずれかの形式を払っていないという事実ですコンに不公平。

両方ではない取締役は、アロノフスキーの状態に愛していても(彼らは信用と後半監督に敬意を払うと思うだろう、彼の死のいずれかの後は特に)どちらも、これまで遅れ監督に敬意を示しているという事実で、私に嫌悪感を得ることが賞賛を言及する彼は"パーフェクトブルー"をも、彼は尊敬の念を与えたことのない影響力のための適切な信用を与えたパーフェクトブルーは彼のキャリアに与えてきたこと、およびNolanさんは、ちょうど露骨なリッピングオフになっている映画の権利を購入する限り行く楽しんでどのくらい必要がありますパプリカは(正直に言うと露骨なリッピングオフになっている)インセプション全体に影響を与えることが公然の状態を余儀なくされる。

私が欲しいのは、彼らがアニメには妥当性や工芸品を保持しているが、私はあなたに我々はすべての影響を受けている楽しむすべてのこれらの小さなムービーを確保することができると思うので、尊敬と信用その影響を見るにはアメリカの映画産業にされている場合は敬意のか、仕事に露骨なリッピングトレードオフ今敏特にNolanさんとアロノフスキーの場合。

2010のように私には思われるタイミングが悪いとされている可能性があります彼の死の年、非常にこのように悲しいです今敏を引き裂いに年をされているが、私はそれだけでまともな両方の取締役は、両方の影響を受ける人に敬意を示すと感じる自分のキャリアほど激しくの。

裁量は:今敏、宮崎、コッポラとアンダーソンの中で私のお気に入りの監督全開され、私は方法はアロノフスキーの"嫌い"ではない(彼は、私が大きく感謝しRFADは私の好きな映画の一つであり、ブラックスワンは最高のものだった監督の午前私はすべて私はそれが自分のキャリアの両方でこのような強力な影響を及ぼしている人の信用を傷つけるためにアロノフスキーとNolanさんの趣味の悪いです言っている)すべての年を見てきました。[を/
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From Eulogythemovie.com:

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These universal themes are serving a brisk plot, which quickly multiplies the wrong tracks, paying homage to the album by Michael Haneke (“The Pianist”), Krzysztof Kieslowski (“The Double Life of Veronique”) and Satoshi Kon ( mainly “Perfect Blue”).

From Rust Belt Philosophy:

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Review review: Black Swan
(As ever, beware - heavy spoilers lie ahead.)...Bullshit, you obsequious hack. I know with unremitting precision what hit me, and I knew almost as soon as the movie started. What hit me was Satoshi Kon's classic psychological thriller Perfect Blue - and I'm not the only one who thinks so.

"...now that we have Black Swan, we no longer need a live action remake of Perfect Blue."
As much as I credit Meredith Borders for her astuteness in noticing that the two movies are more or less actually the same movie, she (perhaps doing her best Peter Travers impersonation) is dead wrong about almost everything in her review. While Travers should be roundly chastised for failing to even mention the wholly obvious influence of Kon's work, Borders's response is hardly better. "This isn’t really a debate of whether Perfect Blue is a direct inspiration for Black Swan," she says. "Aronofsky has already categorically denied that claim, and who am I to argue?" Yeah, Meredith - and Vanilla Ice was right about how the track for "Ice Ice Baby" was totally different than the hook from "Under Pressure." If any of you readers can watch both movies without feeling that the earlier was a heavy influence on the later, I'll be very impressed. For my part, my first time watching Black Swan felt like it was my second time watching it, and that sure as hell isn't because I developed ESP during the trailers.

Here, though, is the bigger problem with Aronofsky's rendering of Perfect Blue: considered as a whole movie, it makes almost no sense. Rather than having "take[n] the best parts of Perfect Blue and turn[ed] them into something more," as Borders alleges, Aronofsky simply added more to the best parts of the anime. Take the use of ballet as a central theme, for example: the events in Black Swan are structured to mirror both the plot and musical progression of Swan Lake, sure, but so what? It would be a neat trick, except (a) any basic modern reinterpretation of Swan Lake would've accomplished the exact same thing and (b) it ruins the plot twists by beating you over the head with foreshadowing (unless, of course, you're as dim as Peter Travers is). Similarly, Aronofsky's characters are more human than Kon's but in a way that detracts from rather than adds to the overall experience; the gestalt here is working in the wrong direction...The problem with this is that, on Black Swan's own terms, the black swan persona is only a manifestation of psychological distress (and not, as in Perfect Blue, another actual person)...Aronofsky succeeds in getting a few jump-scares out of the audience and does manage to impress on us both the beauty and minor lunacy of ballet, but Perfect Blue succeeds because it doesn't compromise its atmosphere or break its concentration for anything. Black Swan, in stark contrast, simply layers scares on top of its basic structure like icing on a cake. That said, even cake wrecks can taste good; go see Black Swan for the dancing and the music - in short, for the ballet - but know that this is a movie that's been done, and done better, already.

From capsib.wordpress.com:

This article contains spoilers.

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I was gonna see Harry Potter. I was. But my timing just wasn’t right, so I went to see Black Swan instead. Everything I had seen suggested that this was the ultimate conclusion of what began as Aronofsky’s desire to remake Satoshi Kon’s Perfect Blue. I still believe that this film may be the one he ultimately decided to make instead of a direct remake. Several of Kon’s elements are there: the imaginary doppelganger, the obsessed mother figure, the lecherous business that calls for her to lose her innocence. But it wasn’t anywhere near as satisfying as Perfect Blue, for reasons of artistic sensibility, storytelling, and philosophy....

Then we have some storytelling problems. My biggest complaint is with the Mother. During the rising action, we see that the Mother is obsessive, overbearing, and oppressive of Natalie Portman. And the Mother used to be a dancer before giving birth to Portman. The character has a clear parallel in Perfect Blue....Then there is a problem of philosophy. I won’t give away the ending of Perfect Blue, but suffice to say, that film got the philosophy right. Black Swan got it wrong. Natalie Portman sees a doppelganger dressed in black. This is of course in her imagination. Believe me, I have no trouble with the psychological games. I’ve been over hazy, difficult-to-decipher ground a hundred times with Perfect Blue. I know that Natalie Portman scratches her shoulder blade unconsciously. I know that when the word “whore” appeared on the bathroom mirror in red lipstick, she unconsciously wrote it there herself. The problem is that Aronofsky tried to make the story mirror Swan Lake too closely. His characters simply aren’t as archetypal as the ones in the ballet, so the good/evil dichotomy feels forced. It’s like he tried to have it both ways — both Swan Lake and Perfect Blue — and it failed. What Aronofsky should have done was go with Perfect Blue‘s philosophy.

From a Catsuka forum-dweller who attended a Swan press junket:

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Salut à tous! Ca fait bien longtemps que j'avais pas posté...

J'ai eu la chance de voir en avant première le film "Black Swan" de Darren Aronofsky (le réalisateur de Pi, Requiem for a dream, The Fountain, et The Wrestler). Le film sortira en février en France je crois.

Je pense que beaucoup d'entre vous savent déjà qu'Aronovsky aimait beaucoup le travail de Satoshi Kon. Il est assez dur de trouver des infos sur les sites des magazines de cinéma professionnels, mais il semblerait qu'il avait acquis les droits de Perfect blue en 1998, pour utiliser une séquence dans "Requiem for a dream" (quand l'héroïne crie sous l'eau dans sa baignoire, en effet les plans sont identiques). A l'époque, d'après des articles lus, Aronovsky parlait d'essayer d'adapter "Perfect Blue" en film.
Puis silence radio pendant plus de 10 ans.
Et voici "Black Swan", un thriller psychologique sur le monde de la danse, son stress, son excellence, ses rivalités. Le film est excellent. Bourré de trouvailles, stressant, beau, dérangeant... Un très bon film donc, et on en attendait pas moins de Darren Aronofsky.
Mais le film fait furieusement penser à "Perfect Blue" sur de nombreux points. La schizophrénie de l'héroine, son milieu artistique exigeant, l'impresario qui la couve, les visions de double, etc... Certaines scènes sont directement issues de "Perfect Blue", comme la scène du rouge à lèvre sur le miroir, ou les plans avec le double du miroir, etc...
Je me disais, excellent, c'est un hommage au film de Satoshi Kon, il va le marquer quelquepart. Mais au début ou à la fin du film, je ne vois rien, pas de remerciement, pas de mention, rien.
Ca tombe bien, Darren Aronovsky est dans la salle de cinéma et répond aux questions des spectateurs et journaliste. Je lève le bras, mais je me dis bien que quelqu'un d'autre va poser la question. Pas de chance, on ne me retient pas. Les autres parlent de Nathalie Portman nue, de Robocop, de Wolferine... Et la session se finit. Aucune référence à Perfect blue. Même chose durant la session de question suivante, dans le cinema MK2 où sont des amis à moi. Aucune référence à Satoshi Kon.

Alors voila, je me questionne. Alors qu'il aurait pu (du?) lui rendre hommage, sachant que Satoshi Kon nous a quitté prématurément cette année, aucune mention d'un quelconque rapport entre Black Swan et Perfect Blue. D'ailleurs aucune réaction de Aronovsky à la mort de Satoshi Kon. Seuls les journalistes qui dressent un parallèle.
J'ai trouvé cet article de "Palmarès Magazine" où pour le journaliste, il est évident que "Black Swan" est un hommage à Satoshi Kon.
Étrangement aucun article de journal de cinéma très connu ne parle du rapport entre Perfect Blue et Black Swan. Pourquoi? Je ne sais pas... Peut-être Darren Aronovsky pense que "Perfect Blue" n'a été qu'une influence. Et que dans le milieu légal du cinéma hollywoodien, mieux vaut ne pas marquer trop de choses, pour éviter de donner de l'argent à droite à gauche. De toute façon, il a déjà les droits du film...

Pour ceux qui se demandent, non, Black Swan n'est pas un remake de Perfect Blue. Les films sont comme 2 contes de pays différents, partis de la même légende. Des trames en commun, des situations semblables, voire des scènes identiques, mais un milieu différent, un message différent, une fin différente, une manière de filmer très différente. J'ai aimé les deux films. Mais l'année de la mort du réalisateur Satoshi Kon, j'aurais vraiment aimer que Darren Aronovsky lui fasse un hommage officiel.


みなさん、こんにちは!それは私が最後の投稿から長い時間が経過している...

私は、ダーレンアロノフスキー(ドリームパイ、レクイエムのディレクター、泉、レスラー)でプレビューする機会を映画"ブラックスワン"だった。映画はフランスで2月にリリースされたと思う。

私はあなたの多くはすでにqu'Aronovsky今敏の作品を愛していると思う。これは、プロの映画雑誌のウェブサイト上の情報を見つけることはかなり難しいですが、それは彼がヒロインが泣く場所("レクイエムフォードリーム"のシーケンスを使用するには、1998年にパーフェクトブルーの権利を取得していたようだ浴槽の中で、水中の計画)が同一であるためです。当時、記事に基づいて、Aronovskyは"パーフェクトブルー"の映画に適応しようとしての話を聞いた。
10年以上の次に無線沈黙。
そして、ここでは"ブラックスワン"、ダンス、ストレス、卓越性、その対立の世界についての心理スリラーだ。映画が優れています。不穏な、美しい、ストレス、発見に満ちて...非常に良い映画はその後、私たちは、ダーレンアロノフスキーから以下の予想。
しかし、フィルムは乱暴に"パーフェクトブルー"の多くの点で彷彿とさせる。統合失調症は、彼の芸術的挑戦的、ダブル等のビジョンをブルード興行をヘロインに...いくつかのシーンは、鏡に口紅のシーンとして、まっすぐに"パーフェクトブルー"の場合、またはミラーなどを倍増する計画...
私は、それがどこかにマークされます今敏監督の映画には、優れた、敬意を考えた。しかし、先頭または末尾にフィルムの時、私は何もないおかげで、何も言及、何を参照してください。
頑張って、ダレンAronovskyは、映画と観客、ジャーナリストからの質問に答えている。私は私の腕を上げるが、私は他の誰かが要求されますが自分に言い聞かせる。チャンスがない、私たちは私を受け入れていません。他のNathalieさんマンヌード、ロボコップのWolferine話すの...そして、セッションが終了します。パーフェクトブルーはNoを参照。 MK2の映画館での質問、次の同じセッション中にここで私の友人。今敏はNoを参照。

ので、ここで、私のだろうか。彼は今敏は、今年初めにブラックスワンとパーフェクトブルーの間の関係には言及しない私たちを残していることを知って彼に(?)有料トリビュート、かもしれないが。また、Aronovsky今敏の死にも反応。並列を描くだけジャーナリスト。
私はジャーナリスト、それは"ブラックスワン"は今敏へのオマージュであることは明らかである"マガジン賞"で、この記事を見つけました。
不思議なことには新聞有名な映画は、パーフェクトブルーとブラックスワンとの関係について語っています。なぜですか?私にはわからない...たぶんダレンAronovskyは"パーフェクトブルー"が影響を与えていると思います。とハリウッドの法的環境では、それが良いということが多すぎることは右から左にお金を与えるのを避けるためにマークされていません。とにかく、彼はすでにフィルムに権限を持っている...

不思議人のために、いや、ブラックスワンは、パーフェクトブルーのリメイクではありません。映画は、異なる国、同じ伝説の当事者から二階建てのようなものです。一般的な、似たような状況、あるいは同一のシーンが、別の環境では、別のメッセージは、異なるエンディング、撮影は非常に異なる方法でフレーム。私は両方の映画が好きだった。しかし、監督今敏の死の年、私は本当にダレンAronovskyは彼の公式トリビュートことが大好きです。
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Even people who visited a ミラ・キュニス
fan page
are aware of Perfect Blue and Paprika.

From Bogsource.com 引用:
Black Swan is a great subdued thriller from Aronofsky, one which he describes as a companion piece to his last movie, The Wrestler, and each could serve as two sides to the same coin. Besides that and the aforementioned comparison to Fight Club, I noticed some thematic similarities with Thirteen, specifically in Nina’s loss of control in her attempts to grow up, but most overwhelmingly this movie greatly reminded me of Perfect Blue, a film that Aronofsky is notably a fan of (he purchased remake rights to recreate on scene exactly in his movie Requiem for a Dream). Like Blue, Swan features a protagonist in the entertainment industry who follows her ambition with grave mental and emotional cost, and both movies play games with the viewer in their deliberate refusal to distinguish reality from fiction. The influence of Blue is felt in this film from start to finish, and with pleasingly excruciating outcomes.

You will like this movie if – You like movies that don’t make sense and are purposely understated AND you liked at least two of these movies: Fight Club, Thirteen, Perfect Blue, The Wrestler

Even the Black Swan Facebook page has a comment on the similarities between the two films.

Cinemasnob calls Swan "sort of like a live-action take on Perfect Blue" when he ranks it in his best of 2010 movies.
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From a recent retrospective review of PB and Paprika at the NYC Lincoln Center:

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The filmmaking is just as good as it gets here. Each film has a style all its own that seems to have beaten both Darren Aronofsky and Christopher Nolan to the punch. They may or may not have seen Kon’s work, but Perfect Blue does the Red Shoes-esque dance sequence shooting, and the spinning hallway sequence, as good as it was in Inception, is better (and five years ago) in Paprika. The only live-action film that comes to mind as a valid comparison to Kon’s “shooting style” and explosive kinetic energy is Shinya Tsukamoto’s Tetsuo: The Iron Man.

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Great Tumblr sketch featuring the leads from both films.

Just a new comment from the bottom of an old link:

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I bought PERFECT BLUE when it first hit US shelves on VHS in 2000 when i was in the tenth grade and have watched it over and over again many times. It is one of my favorite movies. To deny it's inspiration on BLACK SWAN is like a slap in the face to Satoshi Kon, really. If someone was to man up and do a live-action remake of BLUE (aimed at an American audience, obviously, as we don't really have the same "idol" scene here in the west as they do in Japan) people would cry "rip-off". The two films are THAT similar. It can't be pure coincidence, either, that the female leads of both films have nearly the exact same friggin' names, and then try and say they have nothing to do with each other.

私が最初に、私は10年生だった2000年にVHSで、米国の店頭に並ぶときは、これを見守っており、何度も何度もパーフェクトブルーを買った。それは私の好きな映画の一つです。ブラックスワン上でのインスピレーションを拒否するには、実際には、今敏に顔に平手打ちのようなものです。誰かが人間にしてくださいブルーの実写リメイクを人々が泣きそう(彼らは日本で行っているように私たちは本当に西のここでは同じ"アイドル"のシーンを持っていないので、明らかに、アメリカの視聴者向け)されている場合"ぼったくり"。二つの映画は、似ています。それはほぼ同じfrigginの者の名前を持っている女性は、両方のフィルムのリードが、どちらか、偶然にすることはできませんし、試してみて、お互いには何の関係もないと言っている。
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In Nihongo for your convenience, @tomomachi brings it up. Swan vs. Blue, I mean. Plus a summary in Japanese.


ほんではあなたの便宜のために、@ tomomachiが、それをもたらします。ブルー対スワン、私は意味します。日本語でプラス要約を表示します。

From Blooming Lotus:

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PS : for the people who liked the film and are ready for more,
I can recommend ‘Perfect Blue’.
It’s not for the faint of heart, but this is a real masterpiece

It’s a japanese animated movie.

Aronofsky bought the rights of this japanese picture to remake a
scene in ‘Requiem for a dream’.

The main themes of ‘Perfect Blue’ are : double, confusion,
show business, overprotective/ambiguous characters,
madness (obviously), violence and rape (no doubt about it, this time).
Suprise, eh ?

I’m sure this movie was a great influence on ‘Black Swan’. We’ll see
if the movie critics are able to pick it up.

The movie was directed by Satoshi Kon, who died months ago.

One more thing, as many japanese production, ‘Perfect Blue’ begins
slowly, so bear with it. And don’t get confused by the introduction,
it’s definitively for mature audiences.

Oh, and Darren managed to also, like Nolan, pull Kurosawa out of his ass as an influence, but still omitted Kon.

From Slant Magazine:

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(Like Christopher Nolan on Inception, he's another live action director overshadowed by animator Satoshi Kon (R.I.P., 1963-2010):In terms of vigorous mindfucking, Kon's Perfect Blue is to Requiem for a Dream what Paprika is to Inception).
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From ImpetuousWindmills.com:

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Being able to lose yourself in Nina’s unstable mind would theoretically be the real prize here. Unfortunately, we can’t. I really wish someone had taken the time to show Aronofsky Satoshi Kon’s 1997 psychological thriller Perfect Blue, a superior film to which I couldn’t help but compare Black Swan. If you’ve seen it, you know why. Of course, Kon’s film is animated, and the medium lends itself more naturally to manipulating an audience’s perception of reality, since every single line and color can be defined by the filmmaker. However, Perfect Blue proves far superior to Black Swan in creating a real sense of fear, and danger, though the source is never clearly identifiable until the end...

...People of the world, my recommendation is to skip Black Swan. It is a boring film focused upon a completely uninteresting character. If you want to see the genre done right, I suggest Satoshi Kon’s Perfect Blue, instead. And yes, I know it’s a cartoon, but trust me.




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Found the site w/ the Japanese trailer. Oh, and a Japanese poster. Now, if Perfect Blue was already made into live-action in Japan, doesn't that mean Darren doesn't have the rights to it there? I noticed you can contact them in Japanese @foxjapanonline .


Try contacting them here or by E-mail @ customer.service2@fox.com . They're also on twitter @blackswan_jp


Update: Apparently @blackswan_jp initially followed me, and then blocked me when I suggested they contact @kons_tone and/or Madhouse and maybe buy some Perfect Blue on Amazon.co.jp. :)


まず、私は彼らが、マッドハウスに連絡し、パーフェクトブルーを購入して提案して、わたしに従って、彼らが私をブロックされています。:)
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From the St. Louis Dispatch in regards to a review of Summer Wars:

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For the younger generation of Japanese animators, weaned on video games and manga comics, anime is a fitting complement to stories about technology and information overload. Satoshi Kon's "Paprika" was a trippy predecessor to "Inception" (at a fraction of the budget), and now Mamoru Hosoda's "Summer Wars" adds some needed color to the virtual-world theme in movies like "Tron."

From the Houghton Star:

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Black Swan also shares a lot of similarities with the anime film Perfect Blue, which Aronofsky purchased the rights to so that he could recreate scenes from it in his own films, and the claustrophobic, kinetic cinematography of Japanese filmmaker Shinya Tsukamoto, whom Aronofsky has cited as a huge influence.
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From @blackswan_jp : ナタリーの母役にバーバラ・ハーシーの起用は見えない何かにレイプされる『エンティティー/霊体』へのオマージュ。てことはアロノフスキー版『インビジブル』でもある。

Still waiting for Perfect Blue to be name-dropped, it seems.
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They finally started recommending Japanese media to watch if you like Swan, but they conveniently omitted Perfect Blue and Princess Tutu, so I mentioned them in the blog entry.


彼らはパーフェクトブルーやプリンセスチュチュをお勧めしませんでした。だから私はブログでそれにコメントしました。
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Looks like the bottom of the Japanese Swan Wikipedia page has Perfect Blue under "See also." And Darren got mentioned on the Japanese Wikipedia PB page.

Too long for me to summarize, but
Discordance.fr compares the two, and ends with the following:

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Remake for a ballet ?
Mais il serait déplacé de voir Black Swan comme un faux remake de Perfect Blue. Au-delà de toutes les similitudes, la question de l’efficience, en ce sens la direction du spectateur, les sépare inéluctablement. Le mystère et sa résolution n’occupent pas une place aussi prépondérante que dans l’œuvre de Satoshi Kon. Aronofsky choisit de diminuer la part intellectuelle de son film afin d’augmenter la part émotionnelle chez son audience, construisant son long-métrage comme un rêve torturé. Dès lors, ses choix de mise en scène tendent à se rapprocher de l’influence la plus logique : celle du Lac des cygnes de Piotr Ilitch Tchaïkovski.





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Norwegian site which notes the similarities between PB and Swan. Other similar articles in French here
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Finally found some excellent links again. From hydrahyde.tumblr.com:

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Perfect Blue (Satoshi Kon) + Repulsion (Roman Polansky) =“Black Swan” - Darren Aronofsky - 2010

From Deadfinksdontblog.com:

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Another clear influence is Satoshi Kon's excellent anime Perfect Blue, for which Aronofsky already owns the rights, having replicated a scene for Requiem For A Dream shot for shot. There are many parallels between it and Black Swan, from the overbearing mother figure, to the idea of negative reflections and doppelgangers. It's interesting to note that originally Black Swan was going to set around a theatre production (which would have been more similar to Perfect Blue) rather than a ballet, indeed, it's only the ballet setting and the Swan Lake elements of the story that prevent Black Swan from being a near direct remake of Satoshi Kon's film, albeit on a much grander scale.

This time, someone mashed the Swan trailer with Millennium Actress, for some reason...

Really don't know how accurate this person is, but:

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being an oscar voter, i certainly did not vote to any of the “live-action Satoshi Kon’s wannabes” for direction.
sadly, the other one got a nomination. Aronofsky, i’m looking at you!
why they don’t just remake Paprika( inception) and Perfect blue(black swan) instead?

Again, my issue is only with Darren now, not Chris. But I just found it surprising that an Oscar voter[Or someone who claims themselves as such.] would say that.



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This dress looks familiar for some reason... Oh, and IMDB finally added PB to Swan's movie references. They summed up the influence from PB as "Numerous visual referrences"...
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Despite winning Best Actress, Portman did not mention Satoshi Kon in her acceptance speech. Nor did he make their "In Memoriam" segment. It's official. Darren's an asshole.


One of the comments off link which discusses snubbed celebs:

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Satoshi Kon is the most absurd omission in recent years considering how one of the most hyped films at the gala wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for him.

今敏は、彼のためにされていない場合ほとんどがお祭りで映画を誇大宣伝のいずれかが存在していないだろうか考える近年で最も不合理な省略されます。

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I asked @foxsearchlight if Darren would mention Kon-san on the Swan DVD/BD, and they messaged me, "Dude...Let it go."


ダーレンはコンを述べるならば私は@ foxsearchlight質問-のDVD / BDの白鳥のさん、彼らは私にメッセージが送ら"おい...それは行ってみよう。"
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